WHAT'S THIS ABOUT
- Revise Reg 35.8 Determination of Placings....
- The ladder ranking criteria rules in use for each competition should match the AVAILABLE ranking criteria in PlayHQ.
DISCUSSION
- Current regulations (QSDCA Reg 35.8/CCC Reg 24.8 Net Run rate, total no. of wins, no. of outright wins plus first innings wins, no. of losses, best etc)) specify some criteria for ladder ranking (or Determination of Placings) which are not available in the PlayHQ system.
- This affects the display of rankings in ladders at any time of the season and, more crucially, after the end of the last round ready for finals.
- Assignment of finals teams is subject to a manual check but if ladder ranking criteria are different in the rules and in PlayHQ mistakes might be generated or teams might misunderstand their positions.
- The following shows how a close improvisation has been adopted for the last two seasons. eg. instead of Outright wins then total wins then least number of losses has been reduced to all wins etc.
Saturday Two Day Regulation 35.8 says:
| DETERMINATION OF PLACINGS For Saturday Two Day Matches (Finals) |
| 35.8 In the event of teams finishing on equal competition points, the placings will be determined as follows: |
| 35.8.1 Most number of wins (outright wins plus first innings wins) |
| 35.8.2 Most number of outright wins |
| 35.8.3 Least number of losses (outright losses plus first innings losses) |
| 35.8.4 Best average ratio calculated by dividing the team’s batting average by the team’s the team’s bowling average. |
In PlayHQ the term used is Ladder Ranking Order.
(2 day ladder rankings for 2024/25 Sat B1)
- There is a selector for PlayHQ ladder rankings in the settings for each game type in PlayHQ
For Saturday B1 Two Dayers in 2024/25 it looked like this:
1st Ladder Points, 2nd Won (all wins, I presume), 3rd Win outright, 4th Quotient
(This screen grab shows the available PlayHQ Ladder rankings.)
The available Ladder Rankings in PlayHQ are :
Ladder points (game plus bonus points), Won (1st innings and Outright wins), Win Outright, Quotient (see below), Played, Bonus Points, Net Run Rate, Win First Innings, Lost, Loss Outright, Loss First Innings, Draw, Ties,
No Results, Byes, Forfeits, Disqualifications, Adjustments, Runs for, Overs faced, Wickets lost, Runs against, Overs bowled, Wickets Taken
These are discussed and some are defined in these PlayHQ Support articles.
and
Compare the PlayHQ Quotient formula to Reg 35.8.4
| 35.8.4 Best average ratio calculated by dividing the team’s batting average by the team’s the team’s bowling average. |
At least PlayHQ Quotient is the same as Reg 35.8.4... Phew!
I cannot find a comprehensive set of other definitions in PlayHQ support documentation. It is suggested that we can assume they mean what we think they mean.
IN SUMMARY
Saturday competitions have Bonus Points for Runs scored and wickets taken.
- It is very rare in Saturday cricket that any sides will be so close on the ladder that the lower level criteria are needed to separate them.
Sunday Limited over competitions and the Saturday 1 day only competition do not have bonus points but use Net Run Rate.
- Teams might finish on the same points frequently but Net Run Rate will separate them reliably.
- The day will come when Ladder points in PlayHQ will be so close that the ranking criteria in use by PlayHQ will mean the ladder order is different to what it is according to the actual regulations, no doubt leading to an unnecessary dispute.
- It may be that fewer than 3 ladder ranking criteria are needed.
| OLD REGULATIONS | What does this mean?/Why does it need change? | PROPOSED NEW REGULATION |
| DETERMINATION OF PLACINGS For Saturday Two Day Matches (Finals) |
No changes | |
| 35.8 In the event of teams finishing on equal competition points, the placings will be determined as follows: | No changes | |
| 35.8.1 Most number of wins (outright wins plus first innings wins) | No changes | |
| 35.8.2 Most number of outright wins | No changes | |
| 35.8.3 Least number of losses (outright losses plus first innings losses) | Not available in PlayHQ | 35.8.3 Nil |
| 35.8.4 Best average ratio calculated by dividing the team’s batting average by the team’s the team’s bowling average. | Same as Quotient in PlayHQ. | No changes |
| DETERMINATION OF PLACINGS For Sunday 50 Over Matches / For Sunday Over 40’s – 40 Over Matches / For Super 20 matches / For Saturday One Day 35 Over Matches (new Saturday 1 day competition) / |
No changes | |
| 35.8 In the event of teams finishing on equal competition points, the placings will be determined as follows: | No changes | |
| 35.8.1 The team with the highest net run rate. | No changes | |
| 35.8.2 The team with the most number of wins and ties. | Reduce to a single criteria (just wins...) | 35.8.2 The team with the most number of wins |
| 35.8.3 The team with the most number of wins over the other team(s). | Not available in PlayHQ | 35.8.3 Nil |
Thanks to Andrea Pullar at Qld Cricket for input on this review.
ABM 27-Mar-2025
(Updated 15-Apr-2025, 25-Jun-2025, 1-Jul-2025)
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